...некто утверждает, что уже видел пилот, и делится с общественностью впечатлениями. насколько утверждение достоверно – вопрос, но в тексте есть информация, которую следует рассматривать, как спойлеры. посему будьте внимательны и хорошенько подумайте, хотите ли вы это читать.
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Well, I don't know if it's finished yet or not - stuff might get tweaked - but I had a sneak peak of the Dollhouse opener. It's titled "Echo" and is written and directed by some guy claiming to be called Joss Whedon. This is my own little review, with some new pictures.
First off - this is going to be the most bias review ever, since it's on a fan site for something which hasn't even made it to air yet, right? Well, maybe. I want to go into this one saying from the start, I don't like everything Joss Whedon has done. I don't think he's a God. I didn't think the original pilot of Firefly was a very good episode to hook people in with. And yes, I'm not even a FOX exec of yester year. Stop throwing things at me. Seriously. I'm not being mean (well, much) - I'm trying to be honest. I've always said, if I don't like Dollhouse, I'll hand this fan site over to somebody who does. So, trust me, nobody was more nervous about looking at this thing than me.
So, let's get to business. Is Dollhouse any good? Yes. As a stand alone show, it's a new and thoughtful musing on what being human means. It also features Eliza and Dichen, who are both pretty, pretty people (and I'm clearly very vain). If you don't know the premise of Dollhouse, I'll give you a short overview: 'Dolls'. 'In a house'. 'Puppetmasters send them on missions'. 'They're hired'. It's a bit more complex, but I don't want to spoil anything.
If you're expecting it be just like Buffy The Vampire Slayer, or Angel, or Firefly - forget about it. I don't think every Buffy/Angel/Firefly fan will love this, the same way not all Buffy fans liked Firefly. Dollhouse is different to anything Joss Whedon has done before (much like Firefly was different to Buffy - you get the picture). That isn't to say elements of his previous shows aren't present - I gasped towards the end of the episode a few times, for example - but the premise on display here is different, and so is the execution. There's trademarked Whedon wit sprinked along proceedings - but less so than your average episode of Buffy. There's some serious musings going on, although it's reserved for the back half of the episode.
Whilst the core message of Buffy was clearly female (and - yes, to some extent male) empowerment, the message here is somewhat more murky. Yes, the concept makes me squick still slightly. I saw consulting producer Tim Minear ask online recently if people would be less squicked if they knew the dolls can be both male and female, and my answer is this: nope, still a bit squicked. It's not about being male or female - it's about the idea of human trafficking. The show clearly has this undercurrent on purpose, and to it's defense it doesn't appear to be trying to condone what is happening. Also, if you think you're going to feel punched in the face all episode with squick (yes, Law and Order: Special Victims Unit, I'm looking at you), you're wrong - being a Doll can actually be a good thing, too. And the show has a river of fun flowing through it, too.
Almost every character (outside of the Dolls) on display had moments which made me think 'Wow, they're dicks', closely followed by '...But I kind of love them'. An interesting example is Topher, who's phrases have prompted me to sit and ponder how often I say certain things online and how I behave, crossed with a streak of my best friend Kirsty's justifications for her actions. Or in other words - he's funny, interesting, selfish and entirely too human. What he's doing, when you think about it - and the episode forces you to do just that - is worrying. Possibly even horrifying - but he sees the world from his point of view, and can even justify that. There's a price for what he's doing, and I can't help think there's a bit of arc setting up for his character in this episode. I wanted to hate his character, as I hate myself and he's the closest thing I've seen to me on TV - but I couldn't. Yep. It's a Whedon show.
Particular point of reference: FBI Agent Paul is a great character (and I can't think of better casting than Tahmoh Penikett). It's also worth keeping an eye on Dollhouse boss Adelle, and 'handler' Boyd, both of whom leap off the page to particular effect.
So, what doesn't work? I'm not sure I understand how it works on a weekly basis particularly well. Episode two is going to be important here. If people are tuning in to not engage their brains at all, I'm not convinced they will follow what's happening, as the opening 10 minutes are all over the place. The first 10 minutes, in fact, pull you through so much material and situations it's difficult to identify exactly who (or what) we're supposed to be watching for - which, in a way, is probably the point. It is well written, though. And that is, ultimately, about as flawed as it gets, I think. It's clear right from the beginning you're not going to be watching Every Other Show on your telebox. Goodbye, Gil Grissom - welcome to the Dollverse.
What follows is an introduction to The Dollhouse locations, followed by a look at how the Dollhouse works on a day to day basis, and the day to day staff running it, along with meeting a few of the Dolls in the house. One point here - we barely see the other regular Dolls in this episode. It's a shame, but it just leaves more characters for later episodes. One thing which hasn't been covered elsewhere yet - there are Dolls in this here house - or more specifically, lots of them. If you don't find a character to love straight away, don't worry about it.
And as for the Dollhouse - it looks beautiful. I want set designer Stuart Blatt to come and redesign my flat. And my work. And... You get the picture. And if you don't, here's an actual picture:
When I first heard of Dollhouse, I pictured it being some kind of Matrixesque underground facility. Or ultimate blandness. Not so - I'd love to live in this place. It's also very big. I don't know how much time the producers plan to spend inside the Dollhouse in each episode, but they could quite easily spend an entire episode not leaving the thing. In fact, they could shoot it all as a one shot. The One Where Adelle Breaks A Nail And Has Revenge.
So, spoilers! What are the reveals we hadn't known about, who are the characters we hadn't heard about who inhabit the world, and what are the core locations? What clear mythology elements are set up? I'm not saying. That's the show's job. What I will say is there's more going on that we all knew, and there's other people in this show we're all gonna be meeting.
A fandom aside: I predict Dollhouse will be fanfic central. The premise is so wide yet there's clearly defined parameters going on at the same time (read: it's a rich world to draw from), this is going to generate a huge amount of fic. And probably specs. Seriously. If you want a show where your characters can do anything, this is it.
On a scale of 1 to 10, how excited am I? 8. It's a solid opener. There's an awful lot of set up to get through in the episode, so I'm keen to see how it works week to week. I get the feeling there's huge potential for fun in this series which people aren't yet aware of -- and heartbreak people aren't expecting. "Echo" really sets up a slow brewing storm, and how these characters react is the thing which interests me. They can be brilliant, or they may be terrible. Or both. When the shit starts to hit the fan in Dollhouse, the situation will be... Fluid.
Is it January yet?
PS: I'm not handing the website to anybody.
читать дальше
Well, I don't know if it's finished yet or not - stuff might get tweaked - but I had a sneak peak of the Dollhouse opener. It's titled "Echo" and is written and directed by some guy claiming to be called Joss Whedon. This is my own little review, with some new pictures.
First off - this is going to be the most bias review ever, since it's on a fan site for something which hasn't even made it to air yet, right? Well, maybe. I want to go into this one saying from the start, I don't like everything Joss Whedon has done. I don't think he's a God. I didn't think the original pilot of Firefly was a very good episode to hook people in with. And yes, I'm not even a FOX exec of yester year. Stop throwing things at me. Seriously. I'm not being mean (well, much) - I'm trying to be honest. I've always said, if I don't like Dollhouse, I'll hand this fan site over to somebody who does. So, trust me, nobody was more nervous about looking at this thing than me.
So, let's get to business. Is Dollhouse any good? Yes. As a stand alone show, it's a new and thoughtful musing on what being human means. It also features Eliza and Dichen, who are both pretty, pretty people (and I'm clearly very vain). If you don't know the premise of Dollhouse, I'll give you a short overview: 'Dolls'. 'In a house'. 'Puppetmasters send them on missions'. 'They're hired'. It's a bit more complex, but I don't want to spoil anything.
If you're expecting it be just like Buffy The Vampire Slayer, or Angel, or Firefly - forget about it. I don't think every Buffy/Angel/Firefly fan will love this, the same way not all Buffy fans liked Firefly. Dollhouse is different to anything Joss Whedon has done before (much like Firefly was different to Buffy - you get the picture). That isn't to say elements of his previous shows aren't present - I gasped towards the end of the episode a few times, for example - but the premise on display here is different, and so is the execution. There's trademarked Whedon wit sprinked along proceedings - but less so than your average episode of Buffy. There's some serious musings going on, although it's reserved for the back half of the episode.
Whilst the core message of Buffy was clearly female (and - yes, to some extent male) empowerment, the message here is somewhat more murky. Yes, the concept makes me squick still slightly. I saw consulting producer Tim Minear ask online recently if people would be less squicked if they knew the dolls can be both male and female, and my answer is this: nope, still a bit squicked. It's not about being male or female - it's about the idea of human trafficking. The show clearly has this undercurrent on purpose, and to it's defense it doesn't appear to be trying to condone what is happening. Also, if you think you're going to feel punched in the face all episode with squick (yes, Law and Order: Special Victims Unit, I'm looking at you), you're wrong - being a Doll can actually be a good thing, too. And the show has a river of fun flowing through it, too.
Almost every character (outside of the Dolls) on display had moments which made me think 'Wow, they're dicks', closely followed by '...But I kind of love them'. An interesting example is Topher, who's phrases have prompted me to sit and ponder how often I say certain things online and how I behave, crossed with a streak of my best friend Kirsty's justifications for her actions. Or in other words - he's funny, interesting, selfish and entirely too human. What he's doing, when you think about it - and the episode forces you to do just that - is worrying. Possibly even horrifying - but he sees the world from his point of view, and can even justify that. There's a price for what he's doing, and I can't help think there's a bit of arc setting up for his character in this episode. I wanted to hate his character, as I hate myself and he's the closest thing I've seen to me on TV - but I couldn't. Yep. It's a Whedon show.
Particular point of reference: FBI Agent Paul is a great character (and I can't think of better casting than Tahmoh Penikett). It's also worth keeping an eye on Dollhouse boss Adelle, and 'handler' Boyd, both of whom leap off the page to particular effect.
So, what doesn't work? I'm not sure I understand how it works on a weekly basis particularly well. Episode two is going to be important here. If people are tuning in to not engage their brains at all, I'm not convinced they will follow what's happening, as the opening 10 minutes are all over the place. The first 10 minutes, in fact, pull you through so much material and situations it's difficult to identify exactly who (or what) we're supposed to be watching for - which, in a way, is probably the point. It is well written, though. And that is, ultimately, about as flawed as it gets, I think. It's clear right from the beginning you're not going to be watching Every Other Show on your telebox. Goodbye, Gil Grissom - welcome to the Dollverse.
What follows is an introduction to The Dollhouse locations, followed by a look at how the Dollhouse works on a day to day basis, and the day to day staff running it, along with meeting a few of the Dolls in the house. One point here - we barely see the other regular Dolls in this episode. It's a shame, but it just leaves more characters for later episodes. One thing which hasn't been covered elsewhere yet - there are Dolls in this here house - or more specifically, lots of them. If you don't find a character to love straight away, don't worry about it.
And as for the Dollhouse - it looks beautiful. I want set designer Stuart Blatt to come and redesign my flat. And my work. And... You get the picture. And if you don't, here's an actual picture:
When I first heard of Dollhouse, I pictured it being some kind of Matrixesque underground facility. Or ultimate blandness. Not so - I'd love to live in this place. It's also very big. I don't know how much time the producers plan to spend inside the Dollhouse in each episode, but they could quite easily spend an entire episode not leaving the thing. In fact, they could shoot it all as a one shot. The One Where Adelle Breaks A Nail And Has Revenge.
So, spoilers! What are the reveals we hadn't known about, who are the characters we hadn't heard about who inhabit the world, and what are the core locations? What clear mythology elements are set up? I'm not saying. That's the show's job. What I will say is there's more going on that we all knew, and there's other people in this show we're all gonna be meeting.
A fandom aside: I predict Dollhouse will be fanfic central. The premise is so wide yet there's clearly defined parameters going on at the same time (read: it's a rich world to draw from), this is going to generate a huge amount of fic. And probably specs. Seriously. If you want a show where your characters can do anything, this is it.
On a scale of 1 to 10, how excited am I? 8. It's a solid opener. There's an awful lot of set up to get through in the episode, so I'm keen to see how it works week to week. I get the feeling there's huge potential for fun in this series which people aren't yet aware of -- and heartbreak people aren't expecting. "Echo" really sets up a slow brewing storm, and how these characters react is the thing which interests me. They can be brilliant, or they may be terrible. Or both. When the shit starts to hit the fan in Dollhouse, the situation will be... Fluid.
Is it January yet?
PS: I'm not handing the website to anybody.
@темы: Эпизод 1.00, Сезон 1, Новости, Фотосъемки, Спойлер
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03.06.2008 в 23:29гы, знакомый чердак
Очень похоже на удачно замаскированный под "фанатски отчет" пиар. Если так, то хорошая идея.
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03.06.2008 в 23:34Вот это самые загадочные слова во всем отчете.
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04.06.2008 в 00:14-
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04.06.2008 в 01:02не за что)
Marmaluka Декорации действительно симпатичные
а ты остальное видела? вот тут amguz ссылку давала. там все прекрасно. если в отстроенном павильоне сериал снимать не будут тьфу три раза, то заработают миллионы, открыв там элитный спа-салон
anna_iva гы, знакомый чердак
ты тоже никиту вспомнила?))
похоже на удачно замаскированный под "фанатски отчет" пиар
я, кстати, тоже об этом подумала. но, как я уже говорила, чем бы дитя не тешилось, лишь бы сериал не закрыло))
Lidi "Мифология"? "Создания, обитающие в мире"?
Вот это самые загадочные слова во всем отчете.
в смысле?
Vasquez ты мое письмо получила?
да. но читать, если честно, не решаюсь. все же не хочу спойлерить себя до такой степени))
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04.06.2008 в 01:08Грустно. Не с кем обсудить.
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04.06.2008 в 01:09-
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04.06.2008 в 01:19а ты остальное видела?
Теперь да, спасибо
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04.06.2008 в 01:20звучит так, как будто в сериале будут какие-то нечеловеки)) или я тебя не понимаю?
ткни мне в строчку, где написано про "существ", а то я теряюсь))
Vasquez Грустно. Не с кем обсудить
ну, подожди. может кто-то не такой терпеливый и спойле-фрик как я
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04.06.2008 в 02:43Нечеловеки, да.
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04.06.2008 в 03:17Нечеловеки, да.
Мне кажется, тут господина на юнговщину переклинило - с мифологиями, архетипами и прочими прелестями.
Я ж говорю - подозреваю махровый пиар. Нормальный фанаткО не облажался бы пару раз, говоря о творчестве Джосса, и в раж телекритический не впал бы.
MarvelGirl ты тоже никиту вспомнила?))
Дык... это ж чистой воды ее очередной перепев. Тайные агенты, моральные дилеммы, и промывка моСка но на этот раз радикальная.
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04.06.2008 в 04:33да, я думаю, anna_iva права. речь не о нечеловеках, а о метафизике в целом))
anna_iva Дык... это ж чистой воды ее очередной перепев
по-моему, это перепев много чего. и потом, разве идея никиты была оригинальна?
Нормальный фанаткО не облажался бы пару раз, говоря о творчестве Джосса, и в раж телекритический не впал бы
а у меня вообще закралось подозрение, что текст писал сам джосс. по-моему, словоблудие очень в его стиле))
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04.06.2008 в 10:31Vasquez, меня можешь обспойлерить с чистой совестью
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04.06.2008 в 14:54по-моему, это перепев много чего. и потом, разве идея никиты была оригинальна?
Вообще-то да. Купили права на телеверсию по оригинальной идее Бессона.
а у меня вообще закралось подозрение, что текст писал сам джосс.
Кстати, легко. Он розыгрыши любит.
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04.06.2008 в 15:19про бессона понятно. но разве не было больше похожих сюжетов?
впрочем, ладно, это уже не в тему. если что в аське повспоминаем))
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05.06.2008 в 01:17Полтавка, у меня сценарий пилота на английском. Я даже не знаю, как лучше сделать. Большинство народа предпочитает не спойлиться. А я не выдержала.
Могу переслать тебе сценарий. Могу вкратце пересказать в личке. Но там столько вкусных деталей... Я думаю написать пересказ отдельным постом, но не знаю, получится ли, времени нет.
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05.06.2008 в 03:14А так же стрелку на нейтралке забить для последующего обсуждения?
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05.06.2008 в 09:25Можешь на мыло мне написать коротенько (ты ж знаешь мои отношения с английским - длинные тексты меня расстраивают, прямо как Винни-пуха). Но мне кажется, anna_iva тоже права. Можно даже сделать спец. пост в сообществе, закрытый для спойлер-фри.
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05.06.2008 в 20:02Окей, сейчас напишу пост.
К стыду своему, не знаю, что такое "забить стрелку на нейтралке". Если можно, пусть это сделает кто-нибудь поумнее меня
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05.06.2008 в 22:32Дать координаты дневника/форума/чата и т.д. - где можно обсудить прочитанное, никого не заспойлерив.
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05.06.2008 в 22:47Спасибо, теперь поняла! Вот здесь я положила краткий пересказ пилота, можно заодно и обсудить
www.diary.ru/~Vasquez/p44224247.htm
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05.06.2008 в 22:49Vasquez, решай. создать тебе топик с ограниченным допуском? и открывать его только для тех, кто сам пожелает. это не должно быть проблемой, для сообществ теперь есть такая функция.
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05.06.2008 в 23:05Я даже не знаю, как лучше. Наверное, обсуждать удобнее в сообществе. Если я создам топик под катом и помечу, что в нем обсуждаются все спойлеры открытым текстом, этого будет достаточно? Я просто очень боюсь обспойлить тех, кто этого не хочет.
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05.06.2008 в 23:32хочешь я создам спецтопик под паролем сообщества? скопирую туда твое описаниеи, и в комментах все желающие могут обсудить все тонкости. все нужные предупреждения я напишу.
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05.06.2008 в 23:54Отличная идея.
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06.06.2008 в 00:34